19. Opinion White et Dulong

<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" rowspan="2" width=210 BGCOLOR="#99CC99" TEXT="#080000" bgproperties="fixed" background="2a48dfc3.jpg"> <div> <B>Les origines de l'acadien Michel Forest</B></div> </td> <td valign="top" colspan=2 height=82 style=" border-bottom: 1px solid #999980;" BGCOLOR="#CCCC99" TEXT="#080000" bgproperties="fixed" background="2a58dfe1esnpes.jpg"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><B> ASSOCIATION DES FOREST D'AMÉRIQUE</B></FONT><B>     </B><B>|</B><B>     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE=" ASSOCIATION DES FOREST DAMÉRIQUE"><B>home</B></A></div> <div> <A HREF="id101.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="18.BLASON DE LAFA"><B><IMG SRC="32d0e0e0.png" border=0 width="14" height="14" ALT="previous" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></A><B>  </B><A HREF="id103.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="20. 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Dulong</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>White's Position on the Forest Origins Controversy</B></div> <bR> <div> <I>At the American Canadian Genealogical Society Conference, on 24 September 1999 in Manchester, New Hampshire, I had an opportunity to talk with </I><I>Stephen A. White, the renowned Acadian genealogist</I><I> , about the Forest family. Here are my rough notes of our conversation. </I></div> <div> <I>White asked me what I thought of the Forest write-up in his new book, </I><I>Dictionnaire généalogique des familles Acadiennes</I><I>, Part 1, 2 vols. (Moncton, NB: Centre d'études acadiennes, Université de Moncton, 1999), vol. 1, pp.621-632. I told him I did not put much trust in the Walloon lineage because of the missing list. He pointed out that in his notes he says that the lineage must be treated with caution. He then went on to make the following points: </I></div> <div> <I>Given Fr. Vincent-de-Lérins' inexperience and the period he worked in (the 1950s and 1960s), he most likely accepted the letter from the London friend at face value and did not pursue it further.</I></div> <div> <I>Despite this priest making some rather naive comments about other branches of the Forests family, White is willing to cut him some slack, seeing that we do not have first hand knowledge of his motivation.</I></div> <div> <I>It is very difficult to find documents in the Public Records Office of the United Kingdom. White has a friend who searched for the document, more than a cursory search, but did not find it, nevertheless, it could still be there.</I></div> <div> <I>The absence of the document neither proves or disproves the theory. He is aware of other documents in Acadian research that were once available but that can no longer be found.</I></div> <div> <I>It was not unknown for people abjuring their faith to change their names during the Michel's life time.</I></div> <div> <I>And lastly, what surprises him about the extract of the missing list is that, unlike many other passenger lists from that period, it lists the parents. This is very unusual. </I></div> <div> <I>I thought White's observations, though they are somewhat in contradiction with my analysis, should be mentioned. It is my hope that my notes accurately recall his position. It would be my pleasure to host or cite anything he might want to write further on this issue. I disagree with his position and remain skeptical of the existence of the list and Michel Forest's supposed Walloon lineage. However, it is important for people to understand that this is still not a settled issue. We need more information. </I></div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <I>Nouveau commentaire de John P Dulong en date du 17 mai 2008  sur les origines de Michel Forest acadien:</I></div> <div> <I> </I><A HREF="http://www.habitant.org/forest/index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="http://www.habitant.org/forest/index.htm"><I>http://www.habitant.org/forest/index.htm</I></A></div> <bR> <div> <I>Partial Vindication</I></div> <div> <I>«We might be well on the way to seeing an answer to the question of whether or not the Acadian de Forests are related to the New York de Forests. DNA testing on the Y chromosome of several descendants of Michel de Forest have led to establishing the modal haplotype for him, that is, a unique pattern for his DNA. When this is compared to the DNA data submitted for a descendant of Isaac de Forest, the son of Jesse de Forest, of New York the genetic distance score, based on comparing 31 markers, is 12, which means that they are not related. (This test was done using the DNA comparison tool at </I><I>ysearch</I><I> and user ID 5K3G7 for the Acadian de Forests and ID YXX4Z for the New York de Forests.) </I></div> <div> <I>Keep in mind that this is just one test of the New York DNA. While several Acadian de Forests have contributed their DNA to the study, as of May 2008 only one descendant of Isaac de Forest has been tested. Due to the possibility of a "non-paternity event" several more New York de Forests must submit their DNA to insure the confidence we might have in any conclusion. </I></div> <div> <I>If, as my research would indicate, further testing shows no relationship between these families, then I would say that my hypothesis that Michel de Forest is not related to Jesse de Forest would be verified.</I></div> <div> <I>To keep an eye on this research you can visit the </I><I>DeForest DNA Project</I><I> at Family Tree DNA. I want to thank this group for the hard work they are doing to investigate the genetic history of the de Forest family. Let us hope that more descendants of Isaac de Forest step forward for testing soon.» </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>From John P. Dulong </I></div> <bR> <div> <I>http://www.habitant.org/forest/index.htm</I></div> <bR> <div> <I>Vous pouvez également suivre les développements de ce projet sur ce site : résultats </I><A HREF="id97.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="10.Projet ADNY et résultats à jour"><I>ADN Y</I></A></div> </td> </tr></table></body>